tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3477626023528352764.post6113401284400000145..comments2023-05-16T05:04:41.602-04:00Comments on TenthGenerationPatriot: Hey Obama, Your foreign policy sucksTenth Generation Patriothttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12191408658143390459noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3477626023528352764.post-7111135569259287302011-11-01T21:27:17.750-04:002011-11-01T21:27:17.750-04:00Mud,
You silly old stupid bastard.
How hard is i...Mud,<br /><br />You silly old stupid bastard.<br /><br />How hard is it for you to understand that I don't have a job? I am self-employed, which means that when I don't have any work, I'm not unemployed, I am simply on "hiatus" from earning. <br /><br />Herman Cain really kills you, don't he?Tenth Generation Patriothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12191408658143390459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3477626023528352764.post-63847124200680155262011-11-01T11:09:59.142-04:002011-11-01T11:09:59.142-04:00Tenth,
"Poor" is a relative term. I g...Tenth, <br /><br />"Poor" is a relative term. I grew up on the West Coast and encountered "poor" in places like San Jose and in some farming communities in both California and Washington. As a young Marine driving on back roads to Camp Lejeune, NC (I-95 stopped at Rocky Mount in those days and you took country roads to get there) I was confronted by even greater poverty. <br /><br />However as you point out, poverty in the third world will really bring you up short. The difference is absolutely remarkable. <br /><br />Of course no one is recommending that we be satisfied that 80% of "poor" people have air conditioning and 75% have a car or truck (31% have two), but it does point out that the social safety net does work. About half of those households have an X-box. <br /><br />The other studies that Liberals (democrats, socialists, progressives, whatever) skim over is that most of the poor are new poor. In real numbers and as a percentage of their population whites, Blacks, Asians, whatever are moving up the ladder out of poverty - with one exception - they are being back filled by Hispanics who are new immigrants. They will and do of course move up. That analysis was done for the Washington Post by a self-described Liberal in 2007. <br /><br />http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/04/AR2007090401623.html<br /><br />What is magic about America is that people move up the ladder at a pretty steady pace - they do move down sometimes and even the "evil rich" also fall from the top from time-to-time. One study tracked people in the bottom 20% of income earners and 10 years later only 16% of them were still there - they had moved up the ladder. <br /><br />That only happens in freedom. It's risky sometimes, but it's better than having any government assign you a rung on the ladder to park on.Common Snsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03936033792841894514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3477626023528352764.post-22213293490344661382011-11-01T08:48:26.563-04:002011-11-01T08:48:26.563-04:00The "happy poor" is quite an interesting...The "happy poor" is quite an interesting concept.<br /><br />By the way, Tenth, did you hear that Herman Cain said about you and the other poor of this nation?<br /><br />It's YOUR OWN FAULT.<br /><br />Yep. So, stop whining and get a better job.mud_rakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04786611698569598023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3477626023528352764.post-50008172537044649482011-10-31T20:37:37.097-04:002011-10-31T20:37:37.097-04:00Mud,
Why are you such a prick? Should they be th...Mud,<br /><br />Why are you such a prick? Should they be thankful that they are poor in the richest country on the planet? Yes, and they would be, if they had ever been anywhere else.<br /><br />Should they be happy? That depends on the quality of their poorness. I'd rather be poor with my wife and kids, than rich without them. So am I "happy" because I'm poor? No, I'm happy in spite of it.Tenth Generation Patriothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12191408658143390459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3477626023528352764.post-85953100829426864162011-10-31T16:59:35.926-04:002011-10-31T16:59:35.926-04:00It's worse than Jimmy Carter and that is sayin...It's worse than Jimmy Carter and that is saying a lot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3477626023528352764.post-24890766592010960392011-10-31T16:15:16.572-04:002011-10-31T16:15:16.572-04:00CS has commented in the past about how rich the &q...<i>CS has commented in the past about how rich the "poor' of America are.</i><br /><br />In other words that ought to be HAPPY that they can do their poor thing here in the land of the free and home of the brave?mud_rakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04786611698569598023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3477626023528352764.post-16628751044254011142011-10-31T09:12:24.046-04:002011-10-31T09:12:24.046-04:00Tenth,
Mud will certainly expand all of our hori...Tenth, <br /><br />Mud will certainly expand all of our horizons - what a hoot. It is good training for next year's election battle. <br /><br />The best part of the "Fair Tax" is that it would produce a predictable environment. If when it was applied, it removed all other taxes (as is proposed) then prices on goods and services would drop by an estimated 22% - so it would be a wash if the Fair Tax enacted a 23% tax. <br /><br />Mud's "analysis" is done in a static world. The overlapping and compounding taxes that are currently in place make everything you buy or do more expensive now. At least in a "Fair Tax" environment you would see and decide based on some degree of transparency. <br /><br />Further, unlike the immoral payroll tax, pro-growth activities such as savings and investing are rewarded while spending is taxed. Right now the sixty-five cents that I decide to save or invest has already been taxed (I have to earn a whole dollar to invest $0.65) and the proceeds of my savings or investment is taxed again. <br /><br />The other thing that Mud's "analysis" doesn't account for is that even though that jar of peanut butter might be slightly more expensive (likely one percentage point - not 23%) your pay check would be larger (no more payroll tax or withholding) and business activity would soar generally enriching us all. <br /><br />Economics isn't hard really but you have to look at more than the retail price of peanut butter to get the whole picture.Common Snsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03936033792841894514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3477626023528352764.post-58691934201104979312011-10-31T08:08:56.811-04:002011-10-31T08:08:56.811-04:00I have read the book by Neil Boortz. Have you read...<i>I have read the book by Neil Boortz. Have you read it?</i><br /><br />No, but that doesn't make me unacknowledged on the issue. I have read several neutral sources on the Fair Tax issue. Sadly, the version by Boortz is one-sided and, from my point of view, is mostly propaganda.<br /><br />You need to expand your horizons a bit so that you do not become entrapped in propaganda.<br /><br />I find that Wikipedia is fairly neutral on issues and they present both the pros and cons of political and economic arguments.<br /><br />Do you know, for example, that the Fair Tax charged a 23% tax on EVERY new purchase that you and your family make? Even on food. ]In Ohio, we pay no tax on food]. <br /><br />For us in Ohio, that means that a jar of peanut butter that may cost $3 would cost $3.90 at the check out. How's that for eating up our paychecks?<br /><br />Did you also know that, even though you and I would pay 23% on almost everything, those living off of dividends, stocks, and other financial gains would not be taxes at all? Zero.<br /><br />The top 1% of households, you may know, make all of their earnings off of financial gains on investments. Their tax rate would be zero, while yours would be 23%.<br /><br />How 'fair' is that?mud_rakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04786611698569598023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3477626023528352764.post-62602294329945288922011-10-30T21:51:23.556-04:002011-10-30T21:51:23.556-04:00Mud,
I did not. I have been pretty busy lately, ...Mud,<br /><br />I did not. I have been pretty busy lately, and skipped it cause I have read the book by Neil Boortz. Have you read it?Tenth Generation Patriothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12191408658143390459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3477626023528352764.post-72187433777414912472011-10-30T21:19:22.117-04:002011-10-30T21:19:22.117-04:00Did you read the article on Fair Tax that I gave y...Did you read the article on Fair Tax that I gave you in my comment above?mud_rakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04786611698569598023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3477626023528352764.post-64902940887275546882011-10-30T09:43:57.105-04:002011-10-30T09:43:57.105-04:00Mud,
First, if you and CS can't get along, pl...Mud,<br /><br />First, if you and CS can't get along, please don't speak to each other.<br /><br />Second, my family and I are in no other terms poor. For the past three years, or is it four now?, we have been living below the poverty level. I am not worried at all about what that is doing for my children's character. They will be better human beings for the hardships they endure now. CS has commented in the past about how rich the "poor' of America are. I have seen real poverty, in places like Cairo, Egypt. We do not have poor people like that in this country.<br /><br />Having said all that, I firmly believe it is the current tax system that is keeping me down right now. The uncertainty of that tax code, the frequency with which it changes, for good or bad, is keeping money in "mattresses", instead of out in the economy. Passing the fair tax would totally eliminate the fear that permeates the upper class' spending habits right now. Passing the fair tax, or even 9-9-9 would provide an instant and enduring boost to the economy. And as a hard working man, I know that the way for me to get more money is to have more money out there for the taking. I'll take a lot more. Considering that I am managing to survive in this economy assures me that I am right.Tenth Generation Patriothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12191408658143390459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3477626023528352764.post-26004317759313303112011-10-30T08:15:47.415-04:002011-10-30T08:15:47.415-04:00Oh, darned, Skippy came in to use the potty just w...Oh, darned, Skippy came in to use the potty just when Tenth and I were having a good discussion.<br /><br />Tenth- my question was specifically directed towards you and your family's best interest. Why wouldn't you care about your family FIRST<br /><br />I'm betting that you are a very careful father and husband- careful to do all that you can to defend them and take care of them.<br /><br />There is no doubt in my mind about that.<br /><br />Yet, it seems from your response above, that you throw all of that caring out the window in order to hold onto some 'belief' that the tax system isn't 'fair' for all Americans. Why would you do such a thing to your family?<br /><br />I have been spending quite a lot of time attempting to figure out why political ideology trumps fiscal responsibility. Why would a lower-middle income worker like yourself [no denigration implied, but you have told us of your financial situation] rave about a Fair Tax when it might jeopardize your own financial situation?<br /><br />Do you know which group of people have been pushing for the Fair Tax Plan? Hint- it isn't the middle-income workers of America. It is the corporate world and the upper income folks.<br /><br />You and your family, Tenth, are not part of either of these two worlds. You aren't even inside the ballpark watching the 'game.'<br /><br />Sadly, you've been hoodwinked by propaganda into believing that the so-called Fair Tax is 'fair.' It's a cute name for a terribly unfair plan to suck more money from the middle-income workers and to relieve the burden on the rich and corporations.<br /><br />Check out the Wikipedia article on the Fair Tax and then tell me whether you think that you and your family will benefit from such a 'plan.' Is it the right kind of plan to help protect your family from economic troubles?<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FairTaxmud_rakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04786611698569598023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3477626023528352764.post-85617088391655776122011-10-29T18:19:52.639-04:002011-10-29T18:19:52.639-04:00Tenth,
I guarantee you that Mud_Sling is not goi...Tenth, <br /><br />I guarantee you that Mud_Sling is not going to understand that response.Common Snsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03936033792841894514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3477626023528352764.post-67071699662614162472011-10-29T13:08:21.899-04:002011-10-29T13:08:21.899-04:00Mud,
My favorite tax plan is the Fair Tax. Out o...Mud,<br /><br />My favorite tax plan is the Fair Tax. Out of the plans proposed by the candidates so far, I like Herman Cain's. Not because it would benefit my family better, but because of what I think it will do for the country. I am firmly of the opinion that everyone should pay taxes, regardless of income.<br /><br />I don't like the attitude of taxing the rich, and I am ashamed that any American would think the rich aren't paying their fair share. Anyone that believes that is fooling themselves. Unless everyone is paying something, their is no such thing as a fair share.Tenth Generation Patriothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12191408658143390459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3477626023528352764.post-90163730294927072822011-10-29T13:01:03.345-04:002011-10-29T13:01:03.345-04:00Jeff,
Some of my coops can be shipped and assembl...Jeff,<br /><br />Some of my coops can be shipped and assembled. Shipping is outrageously expensive, however. I have thought about doing a blog page on my website about raising chickens, but I wonder where I'd find the time.<br /><br />Chickens are trendy. I think in the near future, people will be taking canning lessons and growing backyard veggies in larger and larger numbers.Tenth Generation Patriothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12191408658143390459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3477626023528352764.post-1588657298729071332011-10-29T10:10:10.104-04:002011-10-29T10:10:10.104-04:00TGP - I have a question about what you build. Whe...TGP - I have a question about what you build. When you build chicken coups, are the coups able to broken down, shipped and then reassembled by an amateur? Please don't laugh, but would it be possible to include instructions on raising your own chickens?<br /><br />It seems there is a going trend for people to raise their own chickens (i.e. my next door neighbor - she's the one who packs heat), but most people don't have a clue where to get a chicken coup (or how to raise chickens). I just got back from visiting my cousin Thursday and they are in the process of enlarging their chicken coup.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3477626023528352764.post-26666804883349314742011-10-29T08:23:41.263-04:002011-10-29T08:23:41.263-04:00Tenth,
Good luck with Mud_Sling. If Liberals (D...Tenth, <br /><br />Good luck with Mud_Sling. If Liberals (Democrats, Socialists, Progressives, whatever) actually understood economics, we wouldn't be in the mess we are in. <br /><br />I wrote about my encounter with a Mud_Sling like character. Pretty humorous and pathetic all at the same time. <br /><br />Personally, I'll take my direction on participation here from you - not some nasty, tired, broke-down Marxist.Common Snsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03936033792841894514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3477626023528352764.post-20898004053924089522011-10-29T08:02:12.615-04:002011-10-29T08:02:12.615-04:00CS writes, Don't worry - when you come back, I...CS writes, <i>Don't worry - when you come back, I'll be here to balance your comments with the truth. </i><br /><br />Thanks for the early-morning belly laugh, CS. I can always count on you for idiotic hilarity [and you never fail me!]<br /><br />Got any more?<br /><br />Meanwhile, Tenth, if you and I can engage in a serious political discussion, I'm wondering which of the two tax plans, Cain's 9-9-9- or Perry's 20% flat tax would benefit you and your family better?<br /><br />Or, Tenth, if neither of these, which other GOP plan do you support for your specific economic situation?<br /><br />[Skippy- now go out and play while we adults have a nice conversation; be sure to take some toys with you]mud_rakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04786611698569598023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3477626023528352764.post-2789605673489385932011-10-28T09:41:57.446-04:002011-10-28T09:41:57.446-04:00NW Ohio,
There you go again - there is a glimmer...NW Ohio, <br /><br />There you go again - there is a glimmer of hope for you. <br /><br />Where Obama has been successful is where he kept (Gitmo) or reinforced (Predator drone strikes) the policies of the Bush administration. Where he went off the rails is in trying stuff on his own (Libya, Egypt) or failing to act (Iran).Common Snsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03936033792841894514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3477626023528352764.post-4822301065613755112011-10-28T09:37:36.640-04:002011-10-28T09:37:36.640-04:00Mud_Sling,
No snappy comment? No razor sharp co...Mud_Sling, <br /><br />No snappy comment? No razor sharp come back? <br /><br />Don't worry - when you come back, I'll be here to balance your comments with the truth. Sucks to be you.Common Snsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03936033792841894514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3477626023528352764.post-44167182212825991682011-10-28T07:56:25.848-04:002011-10-28T07:56:25.848-04:00"Hey Obama, Your foreign policy sucks"
..."Hey Obama, Your foreign policy sucks"<br /><br />That's the sole reason I didn't vote for him in 2008. He had absolutely no foreign policy experience and it scared me. I had never heard of Palin, so I just assumed McCain had chosen her for a good reason.<br /><br />Now 3 years later, I think President Obama has learned by fire some foreign policy. I still disagree with some of his domestic policy; unfortunately he has acquired some of the same foreign policy ideals that his predecessors shareAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3477626023528352764.post-59321265406044109322011-10-28T07:22:18.642-04:002011-10-28T07:22:18.642-04:00Thank you, Tenth, for your opinion.Thank you, Tenth, for your opinion.mud_rakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04786611698569598023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3477626023528352764.post-90308262386701773322011-10-27T22:11:26.292-04:002011-10-27T22:11:26.292-04:00NW Ohio -
You mean to tell me that you draw a mo...NW Ohio - <br /><br />You mean to tell me that you draw a moral equivalency between the military of a country attacking unarmed protestors and a police force trying to remove law breakers with non-lethal weapons? <br /><br />A Marine Rifle Platoon could clear the Occupy Oakland crowd in a heartbeat - but "clear" in Marine means everyone is dead but friendlies - that's not what "clear" means to the Oakland police department. <br /><br />The people, government, and police force of Oakland have shown an exceptional amount of tolerance toward these lawbreakers who are violating the laws of our land. It's about time we bring this whole thing to an end all across the Nation. <br /><br />While we are comparing things. Please contrast the Occupy Everywhere movement to a TEA movement demonstration where the people lawfully gather for an identified and authorized period of time and leave the place cleaner than they found it. Note the the only violence that ever occurred at a TEA movement event was perpetrated by SEIU union thugs. <br /><br />You could bring your twelve year old to a TEA movement rally and they would be enriched. From everything I've seen the Occupy movement is lewd, perverse, filthy, and disgusting. <br /><br />After our election next month I'm going to head up to Washington DC and take in the Occupy DC effort. I'm going to get a tetanus shot and booster for my Hepatitis first.Common Snsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03936033792841894514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3477626023528352764.post-12625853740544893072011-10-27T21:57:11.907-04:002011-10-27T21:57:11.907-04:00Hey Mud_Sling,
You don't get to pick who spe...Hey Mud_Sling, <br /><br />You don't get to pick who speaks here - only on your Marxist on-line echo chamber. If you don't like to confront the truth - stay in that self-licking ice cream cone of yours. <br /><br />We won't miss you - you have nothing to bring to the game.Common Snsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03936033792841894514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3477626023528352764.post-43909976150169329862011-10-27T21:06:15.186-04:002011-10-27T21:06:15.186-04:00OK, without saying if I'm with or against the ...OK, without saying if I'm with or against the occupiers, doesn't the similarity to what happened in Oakland to what is happening in Syria scare you just a little bit?<br /><br />(A little fun fact about me: I've been protested against in person during a military exercise and I've been chased by police during a civil unrest. I was a lot more scared being chased by the police. Thank God I was fast because the police beat the shit out of the protesters they caught.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com